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  • avichal 3:38 pm on January 25, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Presentation on the skills college students need to thrive 

    Ken O’Donnell, Associate Dean of Academic Programs and Policy for the California State University system is giving a talk tonight at the Association of American Colleges and Universities 2012 Conference on the skills we should teach college students, in the context of modern labor needs. There’s a lot of very interesting stuff in his presentation, including a discussion of the 10x team strategy, how other companies use this approach, a brief history of the labor markets, and how educators should synthesize all of this history in preparing students for post-college work and civic life.

     
  • avichal 9:59 pm on January 19, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Good resumes vs. Great resumes 

    Below are three traits I’ve noticed all great resumes exhibit. This is not an exhaustive list and applies to the for-profit and non-profit sectors. Academia, art/music, and other fields likely exhibit other dynamics. I’m hoping to be helpful by sharing some tips I haven’t seen mentioned before.

    Great resumes:

    1. Quantify accomplishments
    2. Focus on skills acquired and required, not activity
    3. Think about a career stepwise

    1. Quantify accomplishments

    Quantifying accomplishments allows others to understand impact and demonstrates that you measure things. People who are in the mindset of measuring are the ones who improve most over time. And if you aren’t measuring yourself, then you probably aren’t measuring other day-to-day things like your team’s progress or your employees’ progress. Using numbers is a nice way to have the data stand out from the surrounding text and save space.

    2. Focus on skills acquired and required, not activity

    Most people talk about what they did instead of what they had to learn and how they learned it. Great companies look for someone who will excel at the required job, but who can grow into a larger role as well. Since there is rarely a perfect candidate, finding someone who can do 85% of a role and can grow into the other 15% is often the best hiring strategy. The best indicator of how you will grow is how you have already grown.

    3. Think about a career stepwise

    The jobs you’ve held should be the steps to reaching your dreams and ambitions. The best candidates think of the job for which they’ve applied as a stepping stone to these goals. Show how each position you’ve held built on the previous positions and it should be clear very quickly to someone scanning your resume that you’ve purposefully developed skills and progressed over a career.

    You should also project this forward. Why is the job you’re applying for a natural extension of what you’re currently doing?

    Examples

    Not Great:

    • Work with a team to provide reliable tracking of users (Flurry, Mixpanel and custom tracking tools) and to analyze customer behavior through frequent analysis of usage statistics and power users.

    Better:

    • Implemented user-metrics tracking that resulted in 50% faster resolution of support issues and a 25% drop in in-bound customer support requests.
    • Analyzed customer behavior to proactively identify power users, resulting in 10% faster conversion of free users to paid and was part of an effort that increased sales $250,000/year.

    Not Great:

      Some University (Sweden), Bachelor, Software Technology Programme, 2009

    • Awarded President’s Scholarship
    • Bachelor Thesis: Comparative Analysis of Development Frameworks

    Better:

      Some University (Sweden), Bachelor, Software Technology Programme, 2009

    • Awarded 100% scholarship, offered to 5 students per year
    • Bachelor Thesis: Comparative Analysis of Web Development Frameworks, available at: http://www.someURL.com

    Not Great:

    • Developed websites for clients. Included database design and implementation, use of the Model-View-Controller methodology and creation of unit tests. Involved extensive use of PHP / CakePHP and MySQL, HTML, CSS, XML, Ajax and JavaScript.

    Better:

    • Designed, architected, and developed websites for 12 clients in 6 months.
    • Learned Model-View-Controller paradigm using CakePHP, MySQL, HTML, CSS, and Javascript in 2 weeks to launch our first client’s website.
    • Developed a custom unit testing framework in 1 month which resulted in a 25% reduction in bugs per client over the life of a project.

    Not Great:

    • Led several projects and initiatives involving the automation of previously manually tested functionality and migration of data to a database.

    Better:

    • Led team that automated testing tasks that previously took 50 hours per launch, saving 5000 hours/year.
    • Promoted to database administration team after 6 months. Self-learned SQL and helped migration to scalable database systems that could handle 10x more load.

    Not thinking about a career stepwise:

    • Company1  - Premiere Field Engineer (Sept 2009 – Sept 2011)
      • Engineered some project and worked on a team that did something
    • Self Employed – Independent Consultant (Sept 2007 –  Sept 2009)
      • Technical consulting in IT and security projects
      • Trainer in courses for MCSE and MCSA
    • Company3 – Trainer & Engineer (June 2004 – June 2007)
      • Trainer for Microsoft certified Systems Engineering courses
    • Self Employed – Independent Consultant and Engineer (June 2002 – June 2004)
      • Security Consultant
      • Trainer and Consultant with deployment software

    Stepwise positioning, with a clear building and career progression:

    • Company1  - Premiere Field Engineer (Sept 2009 – Sept 2011)
      • Engineered some project and worked on a team that did something
      • Led Europe’s leading IT support company in initiatives to educate and train 450 support staff in Microsoft technologies
    • Self Employed – Independent Consultant (Sept 2007 –  Sept 2009)
      • Started consulting business to train others for MCSE, MCT, MCSA
      • Consulted 45 companies on best practices for IT, security, & Citrix projects with an average class size of 23 trainees
    • Company3 – Trainer & Engineer (June 2004 – June 2007)
      • Earned MCSE, MCT, MCSA certifications
      • Promoted to train others in the company on Microsoft certifications
      • Developed xyz things for the company
    • Self Employed – Independent Consultant and Engineer (June 2002 – June 2004)
      • Security consultant focused on training new engineers on best practices for building secure software
     
  • avichal 1:10 pm on January 14, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    A realization about writing 

    Since I’ve been writing I’ve found that I focus a lot better during the week. There’s a bunch of stuff just rattling around in my head and I just get antsy if I don’t get it out. If my head were a room, writing would be like making my bed and vacuuming…the room just feels cleaner and walking around for the next week in the room just feels better.

    10 years ago I would talk to people who wrote and they would talk about how they just needed to write to get stuff out of their heads. I didn’t understand what that meant till I started writing.

     
    • Tina Del Buono 9:18 pm on January 15, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      I know exactly how you feel. I love to write and try to everyday. When I do not get the chance I will feel like something is missing from my day. If you can try to sit down just for 15 minutes and free write you will be amazed how much you can get down on paper in just that short amount of time.
      Thanks for your post

  • avichal 12:49 pm on January 4, 2012 Permalink | Reply  

    Spool Raises $1 Million 

    Spool has just announced that we’ve raised $1 million in funding from a group of very well respected investors.

    Congrats to the Spool team, and a big thank you to everyone who’s supported us thus far!

     
    • Jason Crawford 3:22 pm on January 4, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Big news, congratulations!

      • avichal 4:58 pm on January 4, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks Jason!

    • KIRAN JOHN 4:44 pm on January 4, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Congrats..

      • avichal 4:58 pm on January 4, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks Kiran!

    • Dhawal 3:12 am on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Congrats! One minor typo if you dont mind, your TC article link is pointing to some other article.

      • avichal 2:12 pm on January 8, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Sorry about that. I just updated the link. Thanks for letting us know!

    • Viola 2:47 am on January 12, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Congrats…

  • avichal 1:35 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply  

    Focus on building 10x teams, not on hiring 10x developers 

    There are a lot of posts out there about identifying and hiring 10x engineers. And a lot of discussion about whether or not these people even exist. At Spool, we’ve taken a very different approach. We focused on building a 10x team.

    We believe that the effort spent trying to hire five 10x developers is better spent building one 10x team.

    10x matters because of the Economics of Superstars

    The “Economics of Superstars” observes that in some industries, marginally more talented people/groups generate exponentially more value [0]

    The Economics of Superstars phenomenon requires a distribution channel to move a large volume of goods. For superstar athletes, television enables endorsements and merchandise sales. For software developers, the Internet enables scalable distribution of digital goods.

    Finding a way to be 10x better than median can now generate exponentially more value for people who make digital goods.

    In software, the superstar is the team, not the individual

    In the Economics of Superstars, if an individual has tremendous control over the outcome (points scored in a basketball game), that individual is the beneficiary. So Kobe gets a big chunk of the value he generates for the team, stadium, and advertisers.

    Software development, however, is more like rowing. It’s a team sport that requires skill and synchronization. This applies at all scales. On a three-person boat, one person out of sync will stall your boat. As you get bigger, no single developer can impact your team’s performance, so again synchronization is key.

    Making your team as efficient as possible is what determines long-term success. [1]

    A bunch of 10x people != A 10x team

    Most hiring processes assume that if you find a great developer and put them on a great team, the individual and team will do well. Good teams try to nail down “culture fit” but this is usually only based on whether the candidate gets along with the team.

    Throwing together a bunch of great developers who get along does not make for a 10x team.

    How to Think About Building a 10x Team

    Building a 10x team is a different task than trying to make an existing team 10x more efficient. The hardest part about building a 10x team is that who you need next is a moving target because it’s a function of who is already on the team.

    The following are the top three non-technical questions we (Spool) ask ourselves when considering a candidate:

    • Does this person extend the team’s one strategic advantage? Successful startups do NOT have world class design, engineering, sales, and marketing all at once. They tend to be phenomenal at one thing and competent at the rest. Eventually they upgrade talent for “the rest.” For example, Zynga first nailed virality with crappy graphics, then later upgraded their art teams.
    • Is there enough shared culture? - Communication overhead will cripple most teams. Hiring people with a common culture is the simplest way to solve this problem. For example, alums of a university tend to use the same  jargon, think similarly, know the same programming languages, etc.. They will communicate naturally and are free to focus on higher order problems. It’s not a surprise that Paypal was mostly UIUC, for example. At Spool we’ve consciously hired mostly Stanford alums because Curtis and I are Stanford grads. Update: I apologize if I gave the impression that we don’t value diversity. As you can read in the comments, we’ve gone out of our way to build a diverse team. But there are many things that don’t impact your success early that you can short-circuit by picking people who have a similar enough background. Goldilocks Principle ftw :)
    • Does this person make other people better? A friend once told me that the best hire he made was a mistake. Had he properly screened this candidate’s technical ability, he wouldn’t have hired the candidate. But it turned out this engineer was so driven that he immediately made everyone else on the team more driven. Just by hiring him, the team became more productive, which far outweighed that individual being an average engineer. It’s sometimes worth trading off some technical ability to get a multiplier for your whole team.

    What sorts of people make other people better?

    When we were building Spool’s founding team, we looked for people who were technically solid but especially good at making other people around them better. The following are the types of people we identified that do this. There are probably others.

    • The Lead Engineer  sets the technical standard. She will conduct the hardest interviews and will generally work technical magic. She will raise everyone’s technical bar. This is usually what someone says when they mean 10x developer.
    • The Hustler will bend the rules a little when need be, find loopholes in a system, find people you need to find, hack together systems to extract data, and set the standard for just getting things done. She challenges everyone’s thinking about how to get things done.
    • The Little Engine That Could refuses to lose. She manages to do great things through sheer determination. Sometimes she will tell you about this in an interview, but many times you will need to dig into someone’s background to get a read on this. She makes everyone else more driven, focused, and makes them believe great things are possible.
    • The Teacher soaks up and disseminates information. A teacher is constantly learning new technologies or synthesizing large amounts of information. She then distills the critical points and actively shares them with others. She makes everyone more productive almost immediately. This adds up tremendously over the years.
    • The Anti-Pinochio  is willing to call b.s. on anyone, including the CEO. She is great at spotting b.s. and willing to ask questions of anyone. This keeps a team honest and a company transparent. This is different from being an asshole or a heretic.
    • The Energizer Bunny throws herself into a task fully and doesn’t have an off switch. She gets everyone to give 100% and is so enthused that everyone else becomes enthused. She sets the bar for effort and make everyone want to work harder just so they don’t disappoint her. This extends outside work too. She’ll be the first person at the party, the last one to leave, and will make everyone have more fun every day. Happy, enthusiastic teams are productive teams.
    • The Heart – this is the person on the team that everyone misses when she’s not around. She’ll bring cookies in for the office, she will remember birthdays, she will make people feel better when they’re down, and she will make people do great things because she’s just so lovable. People want to come to work to see this person everyday. Just having people look forward to showing up every day is a huge productivity boost.
    In the following diagram, each color is a team-member rated from 1-10 on these characteristics. You can see that there’s a big hole with no color. I would gladly say no to a traditional 10x engineer to get one person with tremendous grit/determination on this team.

    These personalities all play off each other. For example, a Teacher loves working with an Energizer Bunny because there is someone around to soak up all of that knowledge she shares. Or a Hustler and Lead Engineer can combine to uncover a new distribution channel because they iterate fast and are ruthless. As a result of having these people, you get massive productivity gains from complementary personalities and abilities. Combine these with your favorite/appropriate software development methodologies and you’ve got a killer team.

    I’m sure there are other people who have techniques for building 10x teams. And the dynamics of what makes for a great team are going to be different across industries and stages of company. If you’re reading this and have thoughts, please do leave a comment. I’d love to incorporate it into our hiring practices.

    Footnotes

    Thanks to Curtis SpencerChristine TieuAditya Koolwal, Chandra Patni, Daniel WitteShazad Mohamed, Blake Scholl for reading drafts of this and providing input.

    [0] – More on the Economics of Superstars

    For example, Kobe Bryant is in the 99.999th percentile of ability, while the median NBA player is in the 99.99th percentile. For that small percentile improvement in ability, Kobe Bryant generates millions more in ticket sales, merchandise, concessions, and tv advertising for his team. This pattern repeats every where and is starting to appear with software development teams and startups. If you’re good, you can be Facebook, Google, Dropbox, etc. If you’re not, you can’t get a series A to get off the ground.


    [1] Evidence building 10x teams matters more than finding 10x individuals

    [2] – “Crazy” offers from Google/Twitter/Facebook/etc.

    Historically, engineer/product manager/designer salaries have been relatively constrained (red line below). This is because we lacked an efficient distribution mechanism to take advantage of their special talents, so teams had to be very large to achieve scale and no individual could easily have massive impact.

    But we are experiencing the beginnings of a world where the Economics of Superstars applies for small 10x teams because a small team can use Internet distribution as leverage. What is really interesting is that retention packages now are not about the individual. They are about keeping 10x teams together. The people who are really getting great retention bonuses are the people who make 10x teams possible. They are either the leaders in a product or engineering organization that know how to build 10x organizations, or they are the employees who make everyone around them better, or they are key employees whose departure would be seen as a signal that the team is no longer a 10x team. These packages are also a defensive move to prevent competitors from acquiring the building blocks that enable 10x teams. Losing key members of a team will result in other members leaving, and will enable the competitor to aggregate a team that operates like a 10x team. It’s not about the individual; it’s about team dynamics.

    Another example from Google is how well they reward great teams and keep them together. Google’s Founder Awards disproportionately reward the best teams internally for exceptional accomplishments.

    It seems like we’re moving to a world where a great team of developers can make $300k+/year each. But not by just walking in the front door — it really messes with team dynamics and manager-employee dynamics to hire people with those sorts of salaries. But rewarding a team and keeping great teams together is much easier to justify.

    How the Economics of Superstars will play out for 10x Teams

    [3] – More on Talent Acquisitions: Talent acquisitions are like record contracts

    Startups eliminate the guess work that a large organization has in identifying teams with 10x ability. The startup ecosystem is as close to a meritocracy as we have — no bureaucracy, no legal department, no recruiting pipeline, minimal funding required to get started, etc. If a five-person team manages to build something and get any traction, they’ve accomplished something tremendous.

    Identifying startups with 10x teams, is like a scout going through YouTube to find the next great band. If you find raw talent and give it the right platform (publicity, marketing, new instruments), you can turn that talent into something huge. Industries that have recognized their industry operates under the economics of superstars take these bets regularly - think about the English Premiere League, NBA, music industry, film industry, publishing industry, etc. If a bet pays off, you get Ronaldinho or The Beatles. Would you have given the following talented band $1 million/year and have full rights to all of the revenue they generated?

    The Beatles before they were The Beatles

    (This is The Beatles before they were The Beatles)

    Again, because software is complex and you need teams to execute, the value aggregates in the team, not the individual. You rarely see Google hiring random individuals for $2.5 million over 4 years. Google, Facebook, Twitter, Groupon, etc. are paying to keep teams together and working on the things they’ve developed expertise in. These acquirers understand that it’s about finding 10x teams and giving them the resources of a bigger company. $10 million for four people over 4 years is worth it for many acquirers, because the incoming team has to be marginally better and the result will be exponential value generated for the acquiring company .

     
    • Hong 5:55 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      This is a wonderful dissection of how hiring should work. I was writing a similar post, but based on anecdotal evidence, not any particular data or theory.

      Glad to see we came to the same conclusion though!

      Cheers,
      Hong

      • dc 4:21 pm on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Hi Hong: it’s me…
        True but there are some assumptions. The Stanford people where the authors came from are good people in addition to being smart. They probably have great success in hiring Stanford people as do most companies like Google, etc.. Usually the Stanford kids come from good families so they have predictable behavior and they are ethical for the most part. Smart is good, variation in personality types are good but there can’t be character defects which hinder the person from growing. That is the biggest problem I see in trying to weed out people you don’t want to hire. And once you have them they create hell and are difficult to get rid of.

    • Diego 6:13 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I just love your personalities diagram, I was thinking of something similar for a “create your startup” game so you can show each person attributes.

      Good reading :)

    • UKNOW 6:47 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      In software, the superstar is the knowledge. Nobody needs 10 useless trainees running around in team formation.

    • Scott Everett 6:54 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Been reading through a few times now, feel like I’m getting more and more out of it with each read. Nice blog.

    • Daniel Geisler 7:09 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I agree with the greater importance of the team than the individual, but over the years I’ve carried a number of project on my back, I was the one individual who made the difference between success and failure. I’ve written more code than the rest of my team combined and I always worked on the most difficult pieces. Building a great team puts the kudos only on the manager while often the success of a project comes down to an individual. It shouldn’t work that way, but often it does, and I know my experience is in no way unique! So please don’t forget the impact of individuals.

    • Maiko Martin 7:49 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      The ‘Types of People’ portion is dead-on! I am totally the Hustler. Thanks for using ‘she’ too!

    • BOBBY 8:06 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Teams on average can be 4 times more effective rather than 10x. I believe this number is taken from Steve McConnell’s Rapid Development. Or maybe its Peopleware.

    • Paddy3118 8:24 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      It seems that you are advocating hiring more “people like us”. It might well be a good recipe for doing more of what you have done, but seems a poor way to foster innovation and would lock minorities out of the industry.

      • avichal 8:31 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Not at all. My apologies if I gave that impression. Our team has 2 women out of 7 (which is extremely rare in early stage technology companies), 2 out of 7 are not US Citizens, 5 out of 7 are non-white men…we’ve gone to great lengths to create a diverse team. If anything, you can only get a diversity of personalities I advocate for in the post by looking outside the typical candidate pool.

        • Lambert 4:00 pm on December 17, 2011 Permalink

          I think Paddy is saying that hiring teams that think within a paradigm will not foster innovative thinking, because everyone is “thinking like us”. The minority Paddy is talking about is the person who does not think like the rest of the team. I may have interpreted it wrong, but that is what I thought Paddy was saying…nothing to do with ethnic groups.

      • Maiko Martin 8:32 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Paddy, I think the author is apart of a US minority group. I’m not sure how you reached that conclusion.

        • Lambert 3:59 pm on December 17, 2011 Permalink

          I think Paddy is saying that hiring teams that think within a paradigm will not foster innovative thinking, because everyone is “thinking like us”. The minority Paddy is talking about is the person who does not think like the rest of the team. I may have interpreted it wrong, but that is what I thought Paddy was saying…nothing to do with ethnic groups.

    • Willis 9:49 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I have to say that I love this post, but I want to get a little bit more clarification from you. Can you elaborate on how you see the little engine that could being different from the energizer bunny? How is not having an off switch different from never knowing when to quit? How do they look different in the daily work? Is the little engine that could the guy that gets the loose ball in sports? Is the energizer bunny the person that just seems to never run out of energy while the LETC never gives up but takes time to rest?

      • avichal 9:56 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Willis,

        Thanks for taking the time to read my (long) post.

        I look at an Energizer Bunny as someone who has tremendous work ethic and energy. They work harder than anyone else, day in and day out. They may get discouraged, they may need to be cheered up, they may need to be coached on how to funnel all of that energy. The guy who goes after every lose ball is a great analogy for the Energizer Bunny.

        A Little Engine is someone who just doesn’t get discouraged when faced with hardship. It’s a different perspective on life. They may not be the hardest worker on a team but they will persevere through anything. The entire team will fail but then get back up and try again because this is the first person ready to try again. This is more like someone who goes back to the locker room after a bad game and says, “The next game is ours guys. We can win.”

        I agree, these two people are often very similar but they’re actually two distinct traits. Someone who works really hard can be easily discouraged if they don’t see immediate progress, for example.

    • FileSpnR 9:58 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I don’t want to sound rude, you’re probably just a young guy that thinks it’s a good way to get your point across, but when I hear sports analogies I get nervous. They seem to always indicate narrow or shallow perception.

      • Willis 10:06 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        You didn’t want to sound rude, but you did it anyway huh? Sports analogies are useful for things like commenting on a blog post because they are nearly ubiquitous in the US because of how simple they are to understand. That makes them well suited for this media because I am not sure what types of more complicated or deep analogies will make sense to the other person. Of course, it wouldn’t make much sense to construct a more complete analogy when probing for more information about a personality type that was summarized in three sentences. Still, I do appreciate your concern.

      • avichal 10:08 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks for taking the time to read the post.

        I think when you’re talking about team dynamics, sports are a great class of analogy because they are something a lot of people understand intuitively. If you’ve ever played on a soccer or basketball team then you know what I mean when I say there’s always one person on a team that is an Energizer Bunny. And that person just makes you run harder. It is very easy to overuse them though. If there’s a place where I overuse it in the post, let me know. I can update the post or offer some thoughts on why I think that analogy makes sense there.

        “Young” is all relative. I’ve led teams at Google, started and successfully sold a company, and advise several companies. But, then again, I haven’t started a billion dollar company and am not looking back on a 50 year career. So take it for what you will. :)

      • Chris Yeh 11:03 pm on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Sadly, very few people in Silicon Valley actually appreciate professional spectator sports. When I meet a fellow sports enthusiast, we usually end up speaking for an hour or two simply because we so rarely get a chance to meet other sports fans.

        On that note, there has been a great deal of work done on measuring the true value of NBA players; refer to the excellent Wages of Wins book and blog for more details on this analysis (http://wagesofwins.com/).

        The average NBA player contributes 0.100 wins per 48 minutes (0.100 wins x 5 players = 0.5 wins, which is average, by definition).

        In 2011, the most productive players were Chris Paul and Dwight Howard, each of whom produced approximately 0.300 wins per 48 minutes.

        Because only five players can be on the floor at any given time, this means that the most productive players are vastly more useful to a team, and that NBA superstars tend to be *underpaid* because of the NBA’s maximum salary rules.

        • avichal 11:09 pm on December 18, 2011 Permalink

          Chris,

          That’s really cool information. I’m going to subscribe to wagesofwins.com. I can’t believe I hadn’t heard of it before. Thanks for reading and thanks especially for the link.

          Avichal

    • toneddownandvintage 10:35 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Sharing this post to my teammates. :)

    • putracisc 10:45 pm on December 16, 2011 Permalink | Reply

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    • Kaleb Israel 1:50 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Wow! Great article.

    • DoF 3:39 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Always interesting to see the exercising of what might (without any disparagement intended) be called commonsense. Old enough to feel that this was how we used to do it, didn’t we, but without quite so much angst? Really enjoyed this (after re-reading some of the convolutions). Many thanks for post.

    • yurtdışı eğitim 4:09 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

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    • No*sugar.me 4:19 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Unfortunately in a ‘real life’ people are more often a mix of at least 2/3 personalities (sometimes even contradictory ones) than one you can easily categorize as a Heart or an Energizer Bunny. Also, it’s not enough to label people and put them on a graph, to make it all work. You can take 3, supposedly well-match people and they would still not get on well in the team. I believe in skills in the first place and the team work in the second. The rest lies upon managers, who should define suitable roles for everyone in the team.

      http://no-sugar.me

      • avichal 11:38 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        100% agree. Real life is far more complicated than a sanitized radar chart. That’s part of what makes startups fun :)

    • Rasta teacher 4:40 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      You got me reading by exceptional writing since I am not all interested in the topic. I was so happy to see that you used the pronoun SHE when talking of the the ten engineer types. i would say that this as well builds the best team since you are not stuck in gender types of assuming that the best person is always a HE.
      I enjoyed the read from a gender perspective and wish you the best of luck and perfect love!

    • bestshopusa 4:45 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      so good..

    • Kenneth Mark Hoover 7:24 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      You bring up some very helpful points about team building and acquisition. I am currently in the nascent process of building a team for a publishing endeavor and you have given me some very helpful advice here. Thanks!

    • Steven D' 8:42 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      The Beatles came from blue collar background. “Street Fighters” . . They had to pay serious dues and starve for a few years. Obviously they endured and passed the test. Ultimately there is no substitute for nose to the grindstone work.

    • LodRose 10:00 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I super ❤ this piece. Thanks for sharing.

    • susielindau 10:17 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Great article! You should add a like button so you can see who else stops by to read.
      Congrats on being Freshly Pressed!

    • Neuromancer 11:29 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      sounds like you have just reinvented Belbin

      • avichal 11:31 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Very cool. I just Googled Belbin. As the saying goes, “There are no new ideas. Only new ways of making them felt.”

    • Hira 12:31 pm on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Most hiring processes assume that if you find a great developer and put them on a great team, the individual and team will do well. Good teams try to nail down “culture fit” but this is usually only based on whether the candidate gets along with the team.

    • fireandair 3:18 pm on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Interesting — combination little engine/teacher here. I can learn ANYTHING, distill it done, and present it in a way that enables the next person in line to understand it ten times faster, or that enables the problem to be solved quickly. Unsurprisingly, I do marketing and communications for a frighteningly technical company. And I tend to latch onto problems and masticate them until I get them.

      I might add one more though, and not just because I’m in a technical field: the Geek. Maybe this person needs another name. This is the person who you sit behind a desk, walk off, don’t make eye contact … and they just get things done. You may not even remember what their voice sounds like, but they can sit, stare into space, and give you the right answer. They often don’t do well in interviews because they are quiet as anything, but looking at their publication history — and especially their citation history — reveals a real keeper.

    • fireandair 3:21 pm on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      There’s also another: the Space Cadet. This one will see connections between the current problem du jour and some weird thing that got done six months ago … and those connections will reveal an approach that will solve the problem. Another one that might not do well on an interview, mostly because they probably forgot to zip their pants.

    • Jay 7:01 pm on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      You can’t create a 10x team without a great leader.

      During Civil War, Lincoln didn’t get it right till he made US. Grant the General.

      One of the greatest hire of all time was when FDR picked Dwight Eisenhower to be the Supreme Allied Commander.

      General Leslie Groves led a team of 10xers in building the atom bomb (Manhattan Project).

      !0x teams don’t just happen, there needs to be a leader who can build this team and make them work to 10x performance. This is the most important person on any team.

    • raymondolivercruz 7:04 pm on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Very nice and informative blog! I like the idea of diversity, for it fosters a lot of creativity in organizations. Your ideas are so helpful!

    • GeekMyGadget 8:57 pm on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Great read. You really make me want to try harder to be a 10x at work!

    • yogi_3333 10:42 pm on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Enjoyed this post a lot – certainly made me think about my own team (in finance). I remember a college roommate once saying, ‘don’t you think there’s something wrong with everybody?’ Profound, even perhaps the answer to ‘why are we here?’ To wit, perhaps you should add a Humanist element to the team, the person who understands we are all flawed.

      Basically, when you say building a team of Stanford people have shared values and ethics – sounds a bit more like a Stanford team that arrogantly believes their privileged status in life translates to superior genes, values and connotes superior breeding. I’d just be a little careful with that.

      • avichal 10:46 pm on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks much for taking the time to read and post. Hopefully everyone recognizes that we’re all flawed :)

        I don’t believe I mention anything about values or ethics related to Stanford. The only place where I mention it is in relation to communication and shared (technical) culture such as speaking the same jargon and knowing the same technologies.

        • saving_throw 7:32 am on December 21, 2011 Permalink

          I really enjoyed this article too, but want to follow up on this point, because I’m a Human-Centred Design nerd, and that whole discipline is about searching for all your undiscovered flaws as a designer/developer all the time by listening to other people who are totally not like you.

          Okay, say a bunch of Stanford grads will be able to think the same way while working on a development project. Fine. But what does that mean for their end users, who (statistically) aren’t likely to be only Stanford grads and may have completely different life experience and user needs, that the team’s product will be incompatible with? There’s a lot you can do with usability testing once you’ve built your prototypes, but you need somebody like yogi_3333′s ‘Humanist’ character to just challenge why development directions are being taken in the first place. Quick consensus can lead to quick development, but by ignoring other perspectives, that quick development might be along a path that’s not the best choice for the end users’ needs.

          It sounds like you’re working with a gender and ethnically diverse team, which is great–but a Stanford-only bias undercuts a bit of that, *especially* where it is one of knowing the same jargon and technical culture, and I’d question why one kind of diversity is something you are proud of having on your team while another kind of diversity is actively screened out. Your end users won’t share that culture, so why not incorporate a few more perspectives, or at least not screen against them? By definition, a ‘Teacher’ type from another educational background could surely pick up the working culture fairly quickly and critique it where appropriate to the project? A team of ‘No-pinocchios’ from different backgrounds calling out each other on things might not be so bad.

    • Julien 1:29 am on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Hi. Great post. Is this inspired by some known method for which there is more research and material on how to evaluate a person using these or similar dimensions? Thanks.

      • avichal 10:59 am on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Julien, thanks for reading. This wasn’t based on academic research, just the dynamics I’ve observed in a variety of teams over the years.

        • Julien 12:55 pm on December 18, 2011 Permalink

          I thought so, would be great with a follow up on how your team evaluates each other and how you evaluate candidates. Cheers.

        • Maurice Walshe 10:45 am on December 20, 2011 Permalink

          err you have you not come across Belbin Team Roles which you seem to have reinvented – or a question of having your standford blinkers on / NIH

    • birchwoodrecruit 4:41 am on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      The recruiter likes this!!! Its about the people not the placements, fantastic to see like minded thoughts. People make a business, they can also break a business and you need to constantly evaluate to make sure the team remains ‘right’. x

    • golda972 5:05 am on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      ~amused~ I bet I’m the only one commenting that comes from a team of (more than) 7 all-female software engineers! I have to admit that the Energizer Bunny and the Little Engine that could merged in my mind even on the third reading, as did the Lead Engineer and the Teacher… but maybe that’s just because of the way my particular team is structured.

    • DougStokes 10:47 am on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Well done. People matter. Superstars matter. Output matters. Maybe the project should dictate. The old saying is true, the proof is in the coding, I mean, pudding.

    • Anna 12:05 pm on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      This was such an interesting post; very concise and detailed with good supporting evidence. Loved it!

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    • ::meastral:: 1:24 pm on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Very nice information, I will need this information soon, as I have started a developer collective with some people in the university I attend, and I could make good use of it. Thank you for it.

    • The Suave Urbanite 5:50 pm on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

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    • Tina Del Buono, PMAC 6:49 pm on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Hi, great blog article, this is the culture that we have at our business. I believe that Jim Collins hit the nail on the head when he said in his book, Good to Great “it is getting the right people on your bus and the wrong people off your bus and then getting the right people in the correct seats that make a company go from good to great” Thank you for the great information your provided, I will be passing it on.

    • Chaks 11:03 pm on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Good information. “superstar is the team, not the individual” true, but also it is important to send the message that every member in the team is a “star” in some or the other field.

    • FileSpnR 11:11 pm on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I like the way, even though I didn’t write that exactly, you understood I was implying “over-use”. That is indeed perceptive. I still think they’re a bad idea, because with sports, the opponent is always a finite group. Even with the best analytics available, you still need more flexibility than a “put the ball in the hole” approach. Therefore, in my opinion, sports analogies should be avoided.
      In reference to Willis, I’m afraid you are wrong. Many people do not like sports, nor do they get, or even bother to try and understand sporting anecdotes, so they are not truly ubiqitous.

    • Kiran John 1:21 am on December 19, 2011 Permalink | Reply

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    • Kathy 4:09 am on December 19, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I just went to a team building course for about 2 days and they didn’t discuss about these things. Without the graphs and mathematical thingy. All is about sharing and security and profits and how to work efficiently.

      Well, I guess our company were ripped off!

    • maui4456 8:00 am on December 19, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      As an educator, entrepreneur and trainer, I believe you are right on the mark!

    • Darlene Steelman 8:08 am on December 19, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Great post.. I am the “sorts of people make other people better bullet point.” I work for a small accounting firm and after reading your post, was able to identify each person I work with (besides myself).

      I guess we really are a 10x office! (although right now I am giving 1x) ;)

    • karlsangabriel 8:12 am on December 19, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Outstanding! I always felt it should be that way.

    • Paul D 8:51 am on December 19, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Really interesting diagram…reminded me of a bit of work we did here to try and profile best performing team mixes – happy to give you more info if you are interested http://prototypefund.abertay.ac.uk/blog/

      • Paul D 8:57 am on December 19, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        apologies link should read http://abertaybusinesssupport.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/team-works/

        • avichal 6:01 pm on December 19, 2011 Permalink

          Very cool stuff. Did you guys publish any research out of it?

    • Hamid Lorette 5:50 pm on December 19, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Nice trick to use the Beatles to get people to read your article, maybe I’ll try that. Nonetheless an interesting article, I had no idea there was such drama in engineering.

      • avichal 6:00 pm on December 19, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Haha, it wasn’t a trick, I promise. It’s just a great example of how hard work, talent, and the right team dynamic can lead to great things.

    • designdakotastyle 6:48 pm on December 19, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I don’t have the foggiest idea what a 10x team or programmer is, but I do run a very small party rental and design firm in South Dakota and I found this fascinating and insightful. I believe team dynamics is vital to the success of small business. You articulated so many things I value in my operation but couldn’t put my finger on. I loved your personality breakdowns. I currently only have a heart and a huster ( i’m probably the little engine that could – except around here it’s called bull headed) but even as I read it – it made me smile and think. Bravo.

      • avichal 6:51 pm on December 19, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Thank you for the kind words! I appreciate you taking the time to read it and am glad you found the personality breakdowns useful. Best of luck with your business!

    • Eric Berry (@cavneb) 8:35 am on December 20, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Preface: This is a response to the article that spawned a conversation in the Utah Ruby User Group. Context is towards Rails developers.

      I found this article very interesting. I actually think that with the
      Rails developer pool, it’s hard to find a developer that isn’t a 10x
      developer.. so the question really is, how many developers does it
      take to screw in the light bulb.

      I personally come from a one-man-show developer background so I
      gravitate towards working alone. This is how I am a 10x programmer.
      When I work with teams, it seems to take the air out of my tires, so
      to speak, because I feel slowed down. There are other programmers like
      this that I know, and other programmers who are opposite.

      It was interesting to see the types of programmers they list. I think
      that the real challenge for a company is to find the needs of the
      company (smaller firms might need less programmers who are more
      independent) and larger companies may need the varied types to groom
      programmers and retain some sort of failover. Either way, it really
      falls into the company’s responsibility to determine the needs.

      We are all 10x programmers in my book. That’s what Rails provides (and
      Grails, btw)

    • Erin 9:18 am on December 20, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Thanks for using the feminine pronoun in describing your personalities.

    • Name 11:21 am on December 20, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Actually, the music industry has sort-of lost the ability. They instead play a very grim sort of poker with lots of could-bes and a couple gems. Starting with getting you to sign away your right to sign with anyone else away before they’ll even discuss possible options. In theory what you describe is what they should be doing. In practice, they’re going for the quick buck with the one hit wonder, then move on to the next. The music quality and moreover the staying power of the resulting bands is suffering, and it’s getting increasingly noticeable. Not (just) because I’m busily turning into an old fart; my industry contacts including talent scouts say so(, too).

    • Sports & Concert Updates 1:33 am on December 22, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Diversity of Personalities diagram was jus amazing. I loved it. The title of the post says it all.
      Teams must quickly acknowledge that a problem exists then work to determine what will take the place of the problem, how the solution will function and work. Teams that can quickly create ‘what they want’ as opposed to ‘what they don’t want’ get work done and implement this process into the team

      • avichal 1:34 am on December 22, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks for taking the time to read it!

    • ET 10:28 am on December 24, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Wow, I didn’t know I was a 10x team leader until I was sent this blog a few days ago. This resonates very well with me. My development team has grown from 5 to 50+ over the past five years and is recognized for productivity and talent. I’ve always felt that team is more important than individuals, the trick is building the right mix. In my business I don’t always have the luxury of picking my players and when I do it’s usually from a pretty small pool of qualified candidates. For me it’s always been about understanding which 10x characteristics(without knowing it) an individual has and getting them into the right role on the team. As we have reorganized into 7 Scrum teams, getting the right mix across the teams is an ongoing challenge. This blog has given me new ways to look at the problem. My team leaders and I have started a discussion around this to see if we can set up the right cross team connections to get 10x synergies across the teams as opposed to in the teams (is 10x scalable?). We already have our “Energizer Bunny” outside Scrum supporting across teams to great effect. Another consideration is the difficulty in managing true 10x talent. A leader needs to recognize that each 10x roleplayer usually has personality traits that can make them “high maintenance” from a management perspective. I’ve always found the extra time needed to understand my team as individuals so I can give them the unique support and reinforcement each one of them needs has been well worth it in terms of productivity and client satisfaction with our work.

      • avichal 11:35 am on December 24, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Thanks for reading my post. Sounds like your whole organization is really focused on building efficient teams, so I’m very flattered that you found the post useful. The difficulty in managing 10x employees is a great point too. This is all more art than science, as you say.

  • avichal 2:35 pm on December 10, 2011 Permalink | Reply  

    For-profit education lobbying “waters down” new legislation 

    Sad and unfortunate.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/us/politics/for-profit-college-rules-scaled-back-after-lobbying.html

    “Robert Shireman, a former Education Department official who helped shape that original plan, said the intense politics surrounding the issue played a part in “watering down” the final result.”

    “The joke in Washington, however, was that the industry effort to defeat the plan mainly ensured “gainful employment” for the capital’s Democratic lobbyists and political consultants.”

    “The final standards leave a maximum of 5 percent of schools facing financial sanctions at the start; the original plan would have meant penalties against an estimated 16 percent. The rules also pushed back the penalties to 2015 from 2012, while requiring schools to disclose more data about loans, defaults and job placement.”

    “Donald Heller, a Penn State education professor who studied the plan, said the industry did largely what it set out to do.”

     
    • The Hook 5:52 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      You have a good head on your shoulders, my friend!

  • avichal 11:32 am on December 8, 2011 Permalink | Reply  

    A simple test for passion 

    If you’re working on something you’re passionate about, you should be able to do it for the next 10 years, making just enough to survive, without an expectation of a big pay day. No big acquisition. No press. No glory. Just work for the sake of work.

    This works for knowing if you love your team too. Would you work with these people every day for the next 10 years and be happy to come to work every day just to hang out with these people?

    Fortunately for me, the answer is yes on both. I work on Spool, with Curtis, Dan, Christine, Chandra, and Aditya, every day, with no expectation of a big payout, and am very happy. I would gladly do it for the next ten years.

     
    • Rebecca Thorman 1:10 pm on December 12, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I just wanted to let you know that I have had this open in my tabs for a few days now. It’s really helped me to crystallize what I want to do. Thank you!

      • avichal 2:00 pm on December 12, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Rebecca,

        Thank you for taking the time to read my post. Your comment made my day. :)

        Avichal

    • The Hook 5:53 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Glad to hear you’re fulfilled! Not too many people can make that claim…

    • emariaenterprises 2:58 pm on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I’m working on moving myself in that direction now. I have spent a great deal of time working in areas that were Not my passion, and were Not my main stregths (mostly because that is where Other people thought I should be, and I was too passive, and too broke, to stand up and say “No.” Well, I’ve been very broke for some time now, and it doesn’t seem to matter anymore, if your not making enough money, you might as well not make enough money doing something that you Love, as doing something that you hate.

  • avichal 11:04 am on December 8, 2011 Permalink | Reply  

    Twitter blog is hosted on Blogger 

    Yes, Evan Williams made Blogger. But still…Google hosts the Twitter blog…???

    blog.twitter.com

     
    • Nupur Soni 11:19 am on December 9, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      what’s wrong with that?

      • avichal 2:39 pm on December 10, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        It seems strange for a multi-billion dollar (valuation) company Twitter to not run its own blog — especially since they’re a micro-blogging platform. Can you imagine Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, etc. putting their blogs on Blogger? Amazon occasionally has teams that put blogs on other services but as far as I can tell they’re on WordPress.

    • The Hook 5:53 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      It’s a mixed-up world, isn’t it?

      • Bryan Lee 8:56 am on December 18, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Plus Blogger Is Most Reliable Blogging Platform in 2011 :D http://bitshare.tumblr.com/post/14324511843/the-most-reliable-blogging-platforms-of-2011
        and it’s free :D

  • avichal 3:44 pm on November 28, 2011 Permalink | Reply  

    Equity does not equal sense of ownership 

    Equity != Sense of Ownership

    A lesson I learned the hard way in my first startup: Giving someone more equity in your company does not mean they will act more like an owner. Some of the best people I’ve hired had relatively little equity. But they took ownership. The painful part, is that I’ve given big equity stakes to people who didn’t end up acting like owners.

    Entrepreneurs have to resist the urge to give someone more equity to make that person feel more like an owner. A sense of ownership is not linearly correlated to equity. It’s a binary property unique to that individual. For some people this is a very small amount of equity. For others, no matter the amount of equity they will never act as much an owner as others.

    How employee equity and ownership really work

    Implications

    • Find the amount of equity that makes someone act as much like an owner as they will act. This is more of an art than a science.
    • Everyone has a natural high and low amount of ownership they’ll feel. This is hard to change or move.
    • People who exhibit high levels of ownership are worth generous equity because they make everyone around them act like owners as well.
    • Good cultures reward this behavior. Founders and boards should give these sorts of employees additional equity grants as a gesture of thanks. It won’t make them act any more like an owner (after all, they’re getting the additional grant because they act like owners anyway) but it will send the right message to the entire company. This also makes it easy to start people off with lower equity packages and decide on the job who actually acts like an owner.

    And for employees, instead of quibbling over small equity grants, find a company that rewards this sort of behavior and act like an owner. This will yield far more personal gain to you than a hard fought negotiation when you’re being hired.

     
    • MichaelEdits 5:32 pm on November 28, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I think it’s more about finding the kind of people who can and will act like owners than it is about finding a certain amount of equity. Some folks act like owners with zero equity — reward them with some — and others will never act like owners no matter how much equity/money/whatever you give them.

      • avichal 5:35 pm on November 28, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Michael, I mostly agree with you. Finding people who act like owners is key and some people won’t act that way no matter how much you give them. The only thing I’d add is that most people fall somewhere in between 0 and never. It may be that if you give them 0.5%, that is the psychological trigger they need to feel like an owner. For others it may be 1%. For some people even 5% isn’t enough.

    • The Hook 5:54 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I wish I understood your topics better, but you convey them very well!

  • avichal 1:32 pm on November 23, 2011 Permalink | Reply  

    Amazon owning app distribution is irrelevant 

    Some people are writing about how Amazon is going to steal Android app market distribution away from Google. Not only is this statement incorrect, but it is a clear misunderstanding of how Google and Amazon think about Android. I’ve worked at both Google and Amazon, and have written apps for both iOS and Android, so I’m going to chime in.

    Amazon won’t own the app market

    Amazon is going to be one tablet manufacturer and maybe one phone manufacturer. Even if Amazon owns 20% of all Android devices, they will have the same share as Samsung and less share than HTC and Motorola have in phones (see below). Or, let’s be generous and assume that Amazon manages to sell the same number of total tablets as the iPad — 40 million by Apple’s count for both iPad + iPad2. That total number of Amazon tablets is as many Android phones as are currently being activated every quarter. Let’s get real: Amazon will not have the leverage to do any serious damage to Google’s hold on the pre-installed App Market bundled with Android (which powers both tablets and phones).

    Android Manufacturer Market Share

    Google does not care about app sales

    Even if Amazon does own the app store, thinking about app sales is a failed attempt to apply Apple’s iOS model to a totally different ecosystem. Android does not work like iOS because Google has different priorities than Apple. Google is a search company. Owning the platform is Google’s way of making sure they own search — both on the web and for apps. Google makes over $30 billion in revenue from search. The revenue that flows through the app market to Apple is about $1 billion ($3B in sales, $1B flows to Apple). Google does not care about facilitating app sales because they can make 15-30x the money from search.

    Furthermore, Google clearly believes that the web will win out in the long term and native apps are a stop-gap, so they are skating to where the puck will be — open and web based. Google saw this with AOL and hand curated directories like Yahoo in Internet 1.0 and is betting history will repeat itself. Even if apps stick around, Google wants to own search on top of the apps just like they do on the web and they’ll monetize the hell out of that. Google does not care about owning Android or the app market for app sales. They want to own search.

    Amazon does not care about app sales

    Kindle Fire is about selling more digital content and facilitating e-commerce. Apps happen to be one type of digital content, but they’re far from the focal point for Amazon. Amazon is the world’s biggest online retailer. They want you to buy stuff on Amazon.com. From free shipping, to Amazon Prime, to Kindle 1.0 it’s always been about getting you to spend more money on Amazon. Tablet users love to buy stuff online. The Kindle Fire is about facilitating old school e-commerce. Owning 20% of app sales is lame. Owning 20% of e-commerce on tablets is what Amazon is salivating over. Instant Video and having an App Market are nice secondary revenue streams, but a drop in the bucket to what Amazon does in it’s core commerce business. Amazon would make the Kindle Fire if they were guaranteed to make $0 on app sales because they will make billions on increased commerce.

    Amazon “owning” app distribution is not only wrong, it’s irrelevant. It misses the point of Android and is a fundamental misunderstanding of Google and Amazon.

     
    • rohit sharma 2:18 pm on November 23, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      “Google wants to own search on top of apps” is prescient – think 5 years out, even if Open+web doesnt win out over apps, they want/need to own search/find/discover on top of apps. In that context, you’re right — amazon distribution of apps is irrelevant.

    • Julian Yap 3:40 pm on November 23, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      I think you’re taking things too far by comparing numbers of phones with tablets. Amazon doesn’t have an Android phone.

      But they will most likely have the best selling Android tablet.

      They may own the Android tablet market.

      “Google does not care about facilitating app sales because they can make 15-30x the money from search.”

      Uh, you’re taking the overall figure for all search revenue and just applying it to Android. That’s not a fair comparison.

      “Google clearly believes that the web will win out in the long term and native apps are a stop-gap, ”

      … Yeah, that’s a big assumption based on a world before native apps.

      “Amazon does not care about app sales… Kindle Fire is about selling more digital content and facilitating e-commerce”

      You do realize that apps are digital content and are a huge growth market?

      • avichal 3:46 pm on November 23, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        Julian,

        Thanks for taking the time to respond.

        Android 4.0 and beyond is designed to run on both tablets and phones. From Google’s perspective they are gateways to search so it’s completely reasonable to compare them to each other. From Amazon’s perspective the user behavior around commerce is very different, which is why they’re going after tablets first. There are rumors they will build a phone later as well.

        I’m not applying the overall search numbers to Android. I’m saying that the amount of money they make off of Android pales in comparison to what they make off search today and what they will make off of mobile search in the future. App sales are going to be tiny compared to mobile search revenue.

        Yes, Amazon would love to sell more digital content — apps included. The gross margins would be awesome for a retailer, so it’s clearly enticing for them. But most of the transaction volume flowing through tablets is not going to be in apps. It’s going to be in traditional e-commerce. As I said in the post, the apps will be an awesome secondary revenue source for them. But what they really want are all of the e-commerce transactions for electronics, movies, ebooks, clothing, jewelery, and everything else that Amazon sells.

        • Julian Yap 3:54 pm on November 23, 2011 Permalink

          “App sales are going to be tiny compared to mobile search revenue.”

          There is also monetization off of ads in apps. That is not search revenue. They did pay $750 million for Admob.

          “Apps will be an awesome secondary revenue source for them”

          I’m sorry, this totally contradicts your heading “Amazon does not care about app sales”.

        • avichal 4:09 pm on November 23, 2011 Permalink

          Very true – Google will do really well off of mobile advertising as well.

          If Amazon made $0 off of app sales for the Kindle Fire, they would still do it. Because they will make billions off of sales on Amazon.com

    • Bhaskar 9:57 pm on November 23, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Fact check “Amazon is the world’s biggest retailer”, Amazon is NOT the world’s biggest retailer not by a long way

      • avichal 12:49 am on November 24, 2011 Permalink | Reply

        You’re right – I left out the word “online.” Updated the blog post to reflect this. Thanks for the heads up.

    • RB 3:49 am on November 24, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      How about this… Android’s meant to keep Apple in check…. Amazon’s doing Google’s job for them improving Android UX…..

    • The Hook 5:54 am on December 17, 2011 Permalink | Reply

      Strong argument! Well done!

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